How to Start a Pod

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I wrote this post to put my role with the pods in perspective.  After interviewing the late Ralph Ring, I decided to get involved by attracting talent to an R&D team of volunteers, who would focus their efforts on constructing an operable OTC-X1 circular foil craft.  I would report on their progress with their permission.

Ring’s word for an R&D team was ‘pod’.   Personally, I prefer the word ‘team’ over ‘pod’.   As a team member, I participated in conference calls with the engineers.  One engineer, who I refer to as the lead engineer throughout this post, stood the best chance at designing a functional antigravity prototype.

My involvement in testing was at arm’s length.  Sure, I was part of the discussions.  I tried to grasp the theories they were talking about, and I had spent hours on the phone with the lead engineer; but I never built anything.  Rather, I corresponded with prospective talent and benefactors who pledged services, materials, and intellectual property.

When the time was right – that would be when the engineers had advanced beyond test beds and into prototype construction – I would then contact benefactors on behalf of the team to request needed materials, services, intellectual property, etc.  Over the course of eight years of my participation, the team never arrived at the prototype stage.

What you’re about to read will reveal details of my experiences with the team, explain what happened in 2018, why I shut down my website, and why a prototype was never built.  It also covers my advice to folks who are thinking about building a team or pod.

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How to Start or Join a “Pod”

If you are interested in joining a “pod”; starting a “pod”; attracting a team of engineers like I had; or building an OTC-X1 craft on your own terms, may I suggest you first read this four-part series written by Curt Collins and Cluade Falskstrom.  These journalists bring details, a timeline, and a broad perspective of Otis T. Carr you’ve likely never seen.  The series covers Carr, his associates, his projects and business activities, as well as his legal troubles.

Recommended Reading

The Saucers That Time Forgot
by Curt Collins and Claude Falsktrom

The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr – Part 1

The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr – Part 2

The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr – Part 3: The Trial

The Life and Legend of Otis T. Carr – Part 4: The CG-ES Files


Can I Join a Pod?

The most common question I’ve received over the years: Is there a pod in my area I can join?  Invariably, the answer was a soft ‘no’; build your own team.  The number of active teams I was aware of could be counted on one finger – mine.  By active team, I mean people who were in it for the long haul and would keep me posted on their progress.

Invariably, I saw enthusiasm in the beginning.  I rarely saw models being built.  Some looked cool.  Some were more attractive than others.  None of them levitated.  Thereafter, I would hear and see nothing from them.  I think that once these well-intentioned folks got into the thick of it, after investing time and effort into building a model that didn’t work, they quit.

This is why my team’s vetting process was so stiff. This is why I always made sure to advise people no plans for functional craft exist. Don’t spend a penny on building a model based solely upon the documents posted on my website.  Rather, develop your own theories and decide whether to proceed from there.  Too many people ask for plans and schematics of functional devices and prototypes, where they do not exist.

I’ve had actively working aerospace engineers and graduates of MIT contact me.  Some of them worked for overseas space agencies and expressed a strong desire to explore what this OTC-X1 thing was all about.  I would share with them the same materials I’d share with everyone else.  If you’ve received e-mails from me in response to your request to join a pod, you’ll recognize the drill.

No promises that my team will contact you, but I’ll send them your request.  If they don’t contact you, don’t feel offended.  In the meantime, I offered links and references to publicly accessible documents, patents, websites, books, and suggested the possibility of attracting unwanted attention if they succeeded.  One engineer I’d corresponded with seemed well-aware of the unwanted attention aspect of this work and seemed to take it in stride.

For the amateurs, I always warned about the hazards of playing with high voltage electricity.  One Ampere is enough to remove you from the gene pool.  If you’re not aware of what an Ampere is, you may be a step away from joining the ranks of Darwin Award recipients.

For the very few who achieved access to the inner core of my team, they accepted certain conditions and agreements described in this post.

Honoring Anonymity

The people at the core of my team have careers and families.  If the word got out that they were trying to develop antigravity, it could damage their reputations and livelihood.  As such, from the beginning of my involvement, preserving their anonymity was of paramount importance.  No introductions were made to those at the core without explicit permission from them.

The Team’s Values and Expectations

The core members of my team preferred volunteers be engineers, or at least demonstrate that they were trying to build something.  Ideally, they would have science-based theories that could be incorporated into a testbed and eventually become part of a prototype.  Gobbledygook assumptions and lay theories with no foundation in science weren’t helpful.  Members had to be ready, able, and willing to discuss and test their theories, mostly on their own dime.

There was an exception to this rule.  For my part, due to my exposure through YouTube, I had attracted a few benefactors, who had pledged certain materials and services.  As such, when the core team was ready, its members could submit to me a Bill of Materials (BOM) – a list of parts, materials, etc. – for their proposed test beds and prototype construction needs.

Fiscally speaking, my team functioned conservatively.  In the eight years I intermittently coordinated with my team, 100% of the money they spent on tests came out of their own pockets – hobby money.  I never received from them a BOM.  The thought was this: We did not want to waste benefactor’s money on foolhardy ideas.  We wanted to proceed from a functional testbed to prototype, confident in the science behind the design.

This is the hardest thing to convey to lay people. They look at Carr’s drawings. They get excited and start making a mountain of daisy chained assumptions.  While I applaud the effort to sort it all out, we couldn’t abide that.  It’s too expensive.

Contrast our conservative approach with that of To the Stars Academy, who sought investors, raised millions of dollars, and ultimately produced no prototypes.  They were an entertainment company – the mission statement on their website mentions this.  Having watched this unfold from the sidelines, and from the perspective of my having seen prospectuses for film projects, I immediately recognized that To the Stars Academy’s investment offering was legit and completely above board.  They lawfully and clearly disclosed in writing their intent and the risks facing prospective investors, whereas Otis T. Carr did not.

Mission Statement

To research, develop, test and build exotic technology prototypes featuring free- or renewable-energy and antigravity capabilities.  To document and peer-review their functionality so that they may be released publicly and open sourced.

Conditions of Membership

Members of the team should honor the anonymity of their fellow team members; be fiscally conservative and understand that any monies spent toward research and development would be sourced from their own pockets.  They would have access to the core team, where their ideas could be discussed, and guidance provided.  All efforts would be for the benefit of all, meaning any functional prototypes would be opened sourced.

If prospective members of the core team could not agree to abide these conditions, they would not be accepted.

For others who were not members of the core team, where people were contacting me and pledging various services, materials, and intellectual property, we promised not to waste their time or monies.  They would be contacted after the core team was ready to build a prototype and there would be no obligation to fulfill their pledge if and when the time arrived.   The core team felt this technology shouldn’t require millions of dollars to develop.  During the eight years I served the team, we never solicited or recieved donations or investment monies.  One investor had expressed interest in investing a decent sum of money; and, like any investor, he sought the prospect of a return.  Respectfully, I declined the offer.

A New Team Forms

Stumbling blocks with an existing group of loosely organized people became evident after I’d recorded a few interviews in Chico, CA, where they were performing tests.  The video linked below addresses the tests.  Sadly, none of the interviews I recorded in Chico survived a catastrophic storage failure.

Tick tock.  Time marched on.  I continued corresponding with many people writing to me.  I maintained contact with a few international members of the team via Skype calls.  Sometimes, we’d talk for several hours.  Seven years later, I reconnect with the lead engineer, who performed the tests in Chico.  When I informed him about the discovery of Alexey Chekurkov’s video demonstrations, his interest was rekindled, “This changes everything”, he said.

Several months later, I would meet with the lead engineer.  In the wake of the video referenced above, I had posted a comment based on feedback given to me by the lead engineer: The Chico test results were uncertain, because there may have been an issue with using incorrect test leads.  I brought this up when I asked him whether he ever determined the source of the problem.  Were the test leads to blame for the huge increase in output?

His answer surprised me.  We had an energetic conversation.

In the face of my argument citing the inverse relationship between current and voltage and the fact that we can’t extract more working power from a circuit than what we put into it, I asked whether he didn’t misinterpret the readings. He assured me he had validated those measurements.  I couldn’t believe it. I pressed him more, are you sure?  I’m convinced he was.  Furthermore, we discussed his notion of kickstarting a circuit once, disconnecting it from its source, and it would continue to run forever.  He continued to describe his inability to control the power of his device.  Anomalies cropped up.  Electrical components burned up during his tests, and unexplainable electrical and physical effects had manifested.

Before anyone gets too excited about this, let me quickly add that while I had physically seen the device being tested in Chico, CA . . . once . . . eleven years ago, I don’t completely understand its circuitry and the theories behind it.  During my conversations with the engineer, I gleaned that his theories were inspired by his reading industry white papers; books by authors whose names I can’t remember or pronounce; Nikola Tesla’s coils; and Don Smith’s resonant circuits.

As for the seeming over unity he measured, my understanding of basic electronics math doesn’t begin to explain his measurements.  Assuming he had it, and I don’t know if he did because I haven’t seen it, this may present a problem.  The math would need to be sorted before a functioning device can be properly documented and peer reviewed.  At least that’s my take based on our conversations.  It felt to me as if he had built a device that generated uncontrollable power and had caused disruptive effects.

As an aside on the topic of math and theory, this video will give you an idea of what they look like.  This video presentation by Todd Desiato covers his theoretical analysis of Alexey Chekurkov’s Graviflyer device and how it actually relates to the Engineering Model of Quantum Gravity, and possibly mimics the effects of Gravitomagnetism.  In my interactions with the lead engineer, the formulas appearing in this video are on par with his documentation and white papers.

Returning to the lead engineer’s device: I have not personally laid hands on it, nor have I taken electrical measurements during tests, nor have I witnessed the described-effects; so, I urge readers to not take any of this at face-value.  Also, please don’t write to me asking me for the schematics of a functional over unity device.  The best I have is what I’ve shared with you — a few notions about the device and a verbal description of lab experiments performed by a working electrical engineer Fellow, who shut it down and disassembled it over safety concerns and a desire to stave off unwanted attention.  Meanwhile, feel free to join me on the fence of veracity until I see some flavor of an over-unity device powering a high load machine like an arc welder or a whole house air conditioner.

Here’s an example of ‘Don’t try this at home, kids’.  I know of one other person who had been testing a similar-looking device.  I exchanged a total of two e-mails with this person, who described achieving huge power spikes, smoke, and fire.  Anybody can do that with a short circuit.  He wrote that he wanted to try it again and would inform me of the results, later.  I never heard back from him.  I hope he’s still walking God’s green Earth.

As 2018 progressed, a new team formed.  I was amazed at how much support was coming in all at once.  Everything we needed was coming together.  It was an exciting time.  I posted a few videos (below).  Later that year, after we disbanded, I deleted the content of my original website and set these two videos to private.  As of this posting, I’ve set them to unlisted and shared them here for context.  Please ignore any call for volunteers.



Given the rumblings in the disclosure community about nefarious people neutralizing inventors, it’s fair to say a perceived danger exists when chasing exotic technologies.  It’s a perceived threat because you can’t know whether its real until it happens to you.

Over the years, I’ve been asked whether I was being protected.  When I first heard this question, it came out of left field. It made absolutely no sense to me.  Who thinks in these terms?  I didn’t.  I wondered: From what would I require protection?  I didn’t believe protection was necessary.  To clarify, some had asked if I’m protected spiritually, do I have guardians, that sort of thing.  Again, this notion was nearly incomprehensible to me.

I’ve also been asked whether I’ve been threatened.  Another odd question— until late 2018.   In retrospect, your world view tends to shift when the incomprehensible enters.  As long as our work didn’t result in progress, moreover, as long as we weren’t communicating with “those from above”, we were safe.

The Role of ET

My first contact with “them” was in December 2010.  “They” bestowed a gift beyond measure.  Mid 2018, a set of circumstances put me into regular contact with “them” through a proxy; and “they” wound up providing us key guidance.  They told us we needed to solve the first key – an analogy that describes how energy works in the universe – how it interacts with other things – how it gives back or reflects, just as light infinitely gives back in two mirrors positioned at a forty-five-degree angle.  “Solve this and you’ll have the key”, they said.  They had also expressed confusion over our — humanity’s — not understanding or using this principle.  At the same time, they want to help us figure it out without giving all the answers.

In other words, they didn’t provide schematics or tell us exactly how to build a levitation craft or over unity device.  Rather, they used an analogy that described how energy works.  It felt as if their intent would be long term, helping us one step at a time.  Figure out the first key.  “First” is a word that implies a second, third, and so on.

Just the same, they were answering our questions, which invariably lead to answers like: “Focus on what we told you”, and “Solve the first key”.  They couldn’t understand why we were asking questions related to our other theories when we hadn’t completed the first task.

A few days had gone by.  We were seeking answers to other questions when I got the dreaded “courtesy message”, a veiled threat.  Not only that, our proxy contact with “them” was severed.  Our questions remained unanswered.  After the veiled threat, I was livid.  I took two weeks to reflect.  Ultimately, I decided to walk away from the project.  The first person I called was the lead engineer.  When he picked up, he sounded excited. He’d discovered something and began to tell me.  I had to stop him.  I told him. “Stop, stop, stop!  Don’t tell me.  I can’t know”.  I relayed what happened.  My team was angry, but they understood and honored my decision to leave.

When I first discovered Ralph Ring’s story and the OTC-X1, like many of you who’ve written to me, I puffed out my chest thinking: Threats be damned!  I would never allow anyone to tell me what to do!  I see the same sentiment in people who still write to me.  They are usually young single people.  To them I say: When you are married with children, your puffiness changes – priorities change because there are more important things in life.  Becoming a martyr over this stuff isn’t one of them.

Who Are “They”?

For now, let’s just say they are real, benevolent, and willing to help.

How Can I Connect with Them?

While connecting with them is entirely possible, it’s not guaranteed.  If you’re interested in learning how I successfully connected with “them” on my very first attempt, my post entiteled How to Contact E.T. and Risen Masters desccribes how I did it.

Final Words of Advice

The thing that these ruthless powerful people didn’t like more than anything else was the fact that we received guidance from “them”, which apparently risked too much truth getting out.  The last words of advice I have to offer anyone wanting to join or start a team has been enhanced to include:

Proceed with your eyes open.  Don’t ask for money, ask for volunteers.  Be specific about what kind of help you want and set clear expectations, up front.  Be careful. Be selective about who you work with.  Be vigilant about what you say around microphones, telephones, coffee shops, etc.  Work in secret.  Do not out your fellow team members.  Trust is hard-earned and easily lost.  Keep your technological advances to yourself until after you’ve achieved success.  When you succeed, blast it out.  Last, but not least: Develop a connection with “those from above”, if you can.  I believe that if our proxy connection had not been severed, my team may have been able to succeed.

About the Author

Walter Nowosad

Walter is best known for his YouTube Channel, Search4TruthReality. After interviewing the late Ralph Ring about his experience operating a man-made flying saucer, Walter assembled a team of engineers and volunteers to develop an operable levitating craft. Earlier, Walter served in the U.S. Army during the Cold War as a Combat Military Policeman. After, he studied Criminal Justice at CSU, Sacramento; and earned Applied Science degrees in Electroncis and Networking Technologies at Heald Institute of Technology. After graduation, Walter built a career in Information Technology as a Systems Administrator, Supervisor, and Operations Manager.

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